"London"
1. In stanza one, the persona creates the setting for the reader. The persona also creates the tone/mood. What are your thoughts on the setting and the tone/mood?
2. In what ways is the tone/mood similar to "Araby" and "The Dead?"
3. What do you think the persona hears in stanza two? How do you know?
4. What images were you forming as you read stanza three?
5. What is "the marriage hearse?" Why do you think the persona connects death and marriage?
6. What theme do you take away from this poem?
2. In what ways is the tone/mood similar to "Araby" and "The Dead?"
3. What do you think the persona hears in stanza two? How do you know?
4. What images were you forming as you read stanza three?
5. What is "the marriage hearse?" Why do you think the persona connects death and marriage?
6. What theme do you take away from this poem?
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Professor Stanley
1. London, during or after the Germans bombed it, desolate, dark, and somber.
ReplyDelete2. Again, desolate, dark, and somber. No happiness here.
3. Pain and anguish. He hears the cries and screams of the wounded and afraid.
4. Bombed out burning churches and dead soldiers bleeding out in the streets.
5. I honestly do not know. That was one of my questions. what is it? Death and marriage? One and the same.
6. Desolation (extreme sadness caused by loss and loneliness.) (the condition of a place that has been damaged in such a way that it is no longer suitable for people to live in.) (the state or condition of being desolate.)
Doug Trimmer
Excuse me Doug, I don't mean to seem condescending, but I believe you may have the wrong idea as to what the theme of a literary work is. A theme (in summation) is a lesson learned from a literary work. Therefore, "desolation" cannot be a theme of London. It can be a subject of the poem, but it is not a lesson learned. Does that make sense? I hope I didn't over-step my boundaries. I just wanted to try to help.
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1. He makes it seem very gloomy and depressing. I even imagined a very thick cloud layer and pale villagers whose faces haven't seen the sun for days.
ReplyDelete2. James Joyce wrote of a very somber Ireland. They both gave the settings a grayish tone, but wrote in color. This is particularly fascinating considering the fact that both writers wrote in a time before the concept of a "black and white" picture was developed.
3. He's hearing everyone complain about the same things. By "Infants", I assume he means children. The children are complaining that they don't have food; the adults are all complaining about how there's no money or food or jobs or anything, and this is all being brought up by the laws imposed by the government.
4. The third stanza brought to mind a very impoverished London. The streets are dirty and filled with beggars. There is no work for the chimney-sweepers who would normally have a lot of work during a cold winter. The beggars standing outside the churches are bothering the wealthier church goers and "appalling" them. All while the soldiers fight a meaningless war for nothing but to please the government.
5. I believe he is alluding to the death of marriage and how it has no meaning anymore. He speaks of how the young girls are giving birth to these very unfortunate infants and they are not waiting til marriage to have sex like society expects them to.
6. I had a very difficult time coming up with a theme for this poem. To me, it really doesn't seem to have a conclusion. It just talks about how everything is so desolate (like Doug described). If anything though, I would have to guess that theme would be: Despite how bad things can get, nothing is worse than the poor upbringing of youth (since the youth are our future).
- Elephantsicko
1. he sets the tone/mood to be very sad or dark. Also the setting is on London but is literally dark and died.
ReplyDelete2. they are both a dark mood in London and it was the same dark mood in Ireland.
3. he is hearing the same thing from everyone in the city of all ages.
4. churches that are still up full of people crying and soldiers hopeless and walls dripping in blood..
5. he refers to that because people were getting divorced a lot and drying at the time. Because at the time that was what was happening to most of the people.
6. be grateful for everything you have.
Hey what up brodie! I agree with you on the second question all three stories had a depressing mood and setting.
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Cristian Rayas
ReplyDelete1) The setting almost sounds as if its constricted by government rule. The reason behind this because it mentions charter which to means a document issued by government. The tone is dark and overbearing.
2) Their both similar because they make the setting sound depressing and almost sickly. They also make the setting sound like the government has control over everything.
3) one of the things that really got my attention when the word "manacles" was expressed. Manacles are like shackles but i believe the poet didn't mean in it in a literal way. The poet meant it a shackle that's in their mind. The evil the poet sees is the way of thinking the people have. It's the mentality that the people have in approaching life.
4) "And the hapless Soldier's sigh" I believe the soldiers are doing things they don't agree with the government. They have no power what so ever over the government and only have one choice and that is protecting it.
5) I believe the poet put this words next to each other in order to emphasize that Marriages are becoming extinct. Prostitutes are mentioned throughout with their "new-born Infant's tear" Meaning that its sad how people don't take marriage seriously anymore and instead they lust and commit sinning against woman.
6) Death is the result of war-mongering governments ("palace") and corrupt institutions like the church allowing child labor, prostitution and war.
Cristian Rayas
Nice observation on #4. While I didn't make this inference I think it would be reasonable to say something like this. The mention of soldier's blood gives us an idea of the struggle the troops are going through. They are fighting against a larger force.
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1. In stanza one, the persona creates the setting for the reader. The persona also creates the tone/mood. What are your thoughts on the setting and the tone/mood?
ReplyDeleteThe setting and the mood in the first stanza are very dark. We can see this especially when the author writes “Marks of weakness, marks of woe.” The mood here is very negative because we are being described that the people of London are weak and there’s traces of human suffering all around. This settles the poem in a very disturbing place.
2. In what ways is the tone/mood similar to "Araby" and "The Dead?"
I would say the tone in all of these was very dry and mellow. While “London” was a bit darker, they all kind of brought us to a dead end. In “Araby” the boy’s love leads him nowhere, but alone and angry. In “The Dead”, we see some self-reflection over the past and the death of Michael who loved Gretta so much. Like “London”, both these other stories leave us with uncertainty and sad feelings.
3. What do you think the persona hears in stanza two? How do you know?
In stanza 2 we hear about the frustration that every person regardless of age is feeling. This becomes more clear when we look at the words “fear” and “cry”.
4. What images were you forming as you read stanza three?
The city is mourning and there’s human suffering all around. The soldiers are hopeless and there is loss everywhere. Everyone in the city is having a hard time. The morale is low.
5. What is "the marriage hearse?" Why do you think the persona connects death and marriage?
The author is referring to the dissolution of families. People are dying and therefore, death is separating their families. The connection of death and marriage is used to explain the division of the city and further explain the grief seen all around it. There is no harmony.
6. What theme do you take away from this poem?
The theme of this poem is that the decisions of the government, whether it be going to war, or the decisions of society, have larger implications and affect everyone
Viridiana S.
Madison Tollett
ReplyDelete1) The setting is dreary and dark not a very pleasant place to be where as most would think of London with beauty because that is what we see today. The theme is the same depressing and full of regret and suffering.
2) It was similar because once again the author was speaking out about where he lived and how it was not a happy place or how tradition in its own way had become negative here.
3) It probably hears the sadness and hatred in this place talking about people crying or babies being fearful.
4)I saw sadness everywhere even soldiers how in this time period were the most well off for lower class. There was no hope.
5)The "marriage hearse" is relating death and marriage and how some wed and then all that can come from it is death people starving cannot afford a family so families slowly die off. I think they connect it to show that even happy things can have very unhappy endings.
6)The theme is everything has a price: war, marriage, all of these things can have positive endings but some struggle comes first.
I agree with your take on "the marriage hearse."
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Roman Leal
ReplyDeleteMy thoughts on the setting and the tone/mood are depressing. There is sadness everywhere.
The tone is similar to “Araby” and “The Dead”. In Araby, the story also begins gloomy, depressing, and dramatic. In “The Dead”, well the title says it all.
I think that what the man is seeing is how everyone is, metaphorically speaking, shackled or enslaved to a society that is doing very little, if any, for anyone and everyone. This in return brings a cry to everyone, from infants to grown men.
It agree with Elephantsicko. Stanza 3 portrays an image of depression throughout all of London. I formed the sweepers out on the street, depressed and weeping. I formed guards in front of the palace that were also crying. And I formed an image of a church where nobody goes to now because faith in humanity is lost.
I don’t fully agree with Elephantsicko on the meaning of the marriage hearse. What I think it means is that people are dying and with them, marriages. “Till death do us apart” as it goes. I think the persona connects death and marriage to make his poem more dramatic and depressing.
The theme that I take away from this poem is that depression and sadness do not take sides or play favorites. It treats everyone the same, from babies to grown-ups.
Jessica Gallardo
ReplyDelete1.In stanza one, the persona creates the setting for the reader. The persona also creates the tone/mood. What are your thoughts on the setting and the tone/mood?
The first stanza for "Araby" is the strongest indicator of the boy's inner feelings and his thoughts about this exotic, mysterious.
2. In what ways is the tone/mood similar to "Araby" and "The Dead?"
The boy, in Araby however always interprets the emotional tone of his surroundings correctly. In Gabriel Conroy (the protagonist of "The Dead") Joyce introduces what seems to the world and its wonders, and tend naively to welcome all that comes their way.
2.What do you think the persona hears in stanza two? How do you know?
My favorites are "Araby", "Eveline" and of course "The Dead," all ones that I, The first two stanzas have to do with childhood, the middle one, and I'll leave you to find those, and make of it all what you will and three hearts broken
3.What images were you forming as you read stanza three?
In Araby, when her image accompanied me even in places the most hostile to romance. Sang a come-all-you about O'Donovan Rossa, or a ballad about the troubles in our eyes were often full of tears.
5. What is "the marriage hearse?" Why do you think the persona connects death and marriage?
The “Marriage hearse” is a figurative vehicle in which love and desire combine with death and destruction. It's the perfect show for anyone who has ever been married, will be married, wants to be married, doesn't want to be married, has thought about getting married, has been told they should be married, knows someone who is married, knows someone who wants to be married, knows someone who was married, knows someone who should be married, knows someone who shouldn't be married, has parents who are married, has parents who were married, has parents who shouldn't be married, and everyone else!
6. What theme do you take away from this poem?
As the boy cries, the mist goes away, perhaps a hint that something good will happen.
Liz Fusciardi –
ReplyDeleteWe all agree on this one I see. Death, darkness, and sadness. Just reading the first stanza the tone of this poem is sad. The pain that is on the faces of the people in the street is so strong that even someone who doesn't know them can see it. The tone is similar to "Araby" and "The Dead" because they are all dark and the people in them are the same level in class, poor. I am not sure what he actually hears, this is just symbolic. The pain that he sees on people's faces is what is making him think of their cries. The third stanza made me picture people walking down the dirty streets with tear stained faces trying to hide from other people's eyes. The marriage hearse sounds like there have been a lot of marriages followed by death, like something happened and people have been struck with the plague and are dying so quickly that during their marriages have been followed by dying together. The theme of this poem is just sadness and pain. The people in the poem are sad, the way the author wrote it makes you feel the things they did.
Tommy
ReplyDelete1. In stanza one, the persona creates the setting for the reader. The persona also creates the tone/mood. What are your thoughts on the setting and the tone/mood?
“Marks of weakness, marks of woe,” indicate a sad happening has occurred or is occurring. This sets a somber or sad mode in London, “Thames does flow” is a river in England that goes through London.
2. In what ways is the tone/mood similar to "Araby" and "The Dead?”
All three pieces seem to take place during similar times and in similar locations, mostly because of the language used by the narrator and the objects that are described.
3. What do you think the persona hears in stanza two? How do you know?
At the end of stanza two the persona says, “The mind-forg'd manacles I hear,” which sounds like a way of describing machines. The way it the second stanza is written it appears that these machines, that man made, are causing anguish to the people of London. That anguish is what the persona hears mixed with the sounds of industry.
4. What images were you forming as you read stanza three?
An image of the English palace with guards locked behind its walls, while its citizens die from being overworked, diseased and hunger. As many of my classmates stated, I also imagine dark clouds of ash of the city.
5. What is "the marriage hearse?" Why do you think the persona connects death and marriage?
Marriage is usually a joyous event in a young persons life, because of the horrible conditions in London, the young are not even able to enjoy marriage before meeting an untimely death.
6. What theme do you take away from this poem?
The theme for this poem is, human progress does not come cheap.
I disagree with number 6. I thought the poem displayed the negative effects of war.
Delete- Haakam Sherwani
1. The setting is in London, and the tone/mood of the first stanza shows the distress that is happening in London at that time.
ReplyDelete2. They all had a dark, and distressful mood.
3. In stanza two, the author hears everyone’s pain. Blake states, “In every cry of every Man, / In every Infants cry of fear”.
4. I was imagining blood, and people that were helpless because the church nor the palace was any help to them. The blood ran on the walls of the palace, but the people in the palace or not doing anything about the war outside. They are actually responsible.
5. “The marriage hearse?” probably means that problems in marriage such as cheating on your spouse, could cause death and distraught.
6. The theme in this poem is that you always have to deal with life even if there is a huge problem going on. In other words, even in the war, the people still had to deal with normal life choices such as marriage, and kids.
-Salam Zaidan
ReplyDelete1. In stanza one, the persona creates the setting for the reader. The persona also creates the tone/mood. What are your thoughts on the setting and the tone/mood? I think the setting is in a dark street in London. The tone is a sad one.
2. In what ways is the tone/mood similar to "Araby" and "The Dead?" The tones are sad, and there is a sense of darkness.
3. What do you think the persona hears in stanza two? How do you know? Everyone is suffering no matter what age. It talks about how man cry and the cry of infants. When it talks about the cry of man, I think it means man complain about the situation that they are going through.
4. What images were you forming as you read stanza three? A solder just standing in the dark street with no dreams. Sick people cleaning chimneys.
5. What is "the marriage hearse?" Why do you think the persona connects death and marriage? I really don’t know what marriage hearse is. I think the persona connects death and marriage, because of the plague that is going on or maybe because most people believe that once they marry part of them dies.
6. What theme do you take away from this poem? No matter how bad the situation is people should try to make the best of it. Every person is responsible for their own happiness.
1) Everywhere around him he sees gloomy people marked with sickness, the mood is gloomy and the tone is very humdrum. This helps sets the setting for the rest of the poem.
ReplyDelete2) Because the dead and Araby have a similar intro, one that set the setting for the rest of the story, just like in the poem.
3) “In every cry of every man/ in every cry of infants fear” from this we can understand that there is a lot of crying and a lot of sorrow.
4) I get the image of a dark place filled with sorrow and plague that no one is safe, and illness is to consume all.
5) A Hearse is a coffin in which they take when someone dies, connecting the two marriage and hearse signifies that the people that died were a married couple, and before that speaks of crying babies, and nobody is safe from this plague.
6) To be thankful for the faces you see every morning and every night and to not take there smiles for granted because even if you see things as going south things could be a lot worst.
-Benjamin Rosales.
1. He sets a scene that is sad and depressing, which makes the tone and mood both sad and depressing. The narrator speaks as if this is a documentary of a war zone.
ReplyDelete2. The tone and mood are different in Araby and the dead. This is because in Araby and The Dead, there was at least hope of a happy outcome, and a leveled mood (not too happy, not too sad) for most of the play. In London, there is just a depressing mood throughout the poem.
3. I think the person hears all out sadness, death, and gunshots (whether that be figuratively or literally) throughout the region.
4. I see blood running down every building, even the church. Soldiers are down, because they have lost many friends in the fight, and the town is reaching impending doom.
5. The narrator says "marriage hearse", because he is giving off the impression that most of the people are going to die. Marriage is an institution that is supposed to be kept forever. Well, most of these people are going to be married to a hearse, because of their eventual doom.
6. The theme I took away was the result of war. The result of war is blood splattered on buildings, babies crying because of their parents getting killed, men crying because they are about to permanently leave their families. All of these are the negative effects of war.
-Haakam Sherwani
1. In stanza one, the persona creates the setting for the reader. The persona also creates the tone/mood. What are your thoughts on the setting and the tone/mood?
ReplyDeleteHe sets a depressed/unhappy mood, he sounds like he’s in very unpleasant atmosphere.
2. In what ways is the tone/mood similar to "Araby" and "The Dead?"
The settings are described similar, gloomy and sunless the settings in the three pieces are meant to sound like unhappy places.
3. What do you think the persona hears in stanza two? How do you know?
He is hearing all types complains as he is walking, he mentions three things man, infants, and voices.
4. What images were you forming as you read stanza three?
I imagine Children cleaning the chimney crying not wanting to do it, since that is to what he refers to. “How the Chimney-sweepers cry” back then children were used for labor.
5. What is "the marriage hearse?" Why do you think the persona connects death and marriage?
Hearse symbolizes death, what he means is that there is no such thing as marriage, there is woman and poor babies running around not being taken care of.
6. What theme do you take away from this poem?
Grateful for being able to enjoy my infancy I would of never imagined myself nor would I ever wish for someone to have to suffer doing labor.
Julie Rosales
1. It made me think a lot about The hunger games because the setting is in London but it gave me a view of a dark corrupted government wanting to take everything over. Along with the tone/mood is just sad and depressing.
ReplyDelete2. The tone/mood is not similar because in Araby and The Dead there was a chance of some happy ending. But London's poem was just dark all throughout the poem.
3. Makes me think how everyone has their own problems and everyone crying about doesn't help it.
4. It's sad that some soldiers give up their life for their country, I personally have family involved as Marines, Air Force, Army, and the National Guard. To think that one of them could be in a setting so dark and scary puts me in fear.
5. I really don't know what "marriage hearse" is but im going to guess it has to do with death and forever together. I like to think about it as your "ride and die", you do everything together or goodbye.
6. The theme I saw was it had to do something with a war perhaps the French Revolution. Family's upset because their loved ones are out to fight war and who knows if they are coming back.
-Karla Menchaca
1. “I wander thro' each charter'd street” sets the setting not so pleasant it is more like sad depressing somewhere I would not want to be at dark and creepy
ReplyDelete2. The similarities of the tone in the three poems and stories are that all are very dark, silent. The tone in all of them is introduced in the beginning of the stories/poem
3. He hears the infant’s cry of fear it could mean as an infant he did not have a good childhood could have been filled with fear.
4. The images that are forming are soldiers and people devastated and desperate
5. “Marriage Hearse” the marriage is not like it used to be before you get married to one and promised eternally love and die together, but that does not happen anymore some people even get marry for the wrong reasons such as wealth.
6. The theme that I take away from this poem that is does not matter what side of the story you look it no one is ever happy no one is ever satisfied.
1. “I wander thro' each charter'd street” sets the setting not so pleasant it is more like sad depressing somewhere I would not want to be at dark and creepy
ReplyDelete2. The similarities of the tone in the three poems and stories are that all are very dark, silent. The tone in all of them is introduced in the beginning of the stories/poem
3. He hears the infant’s cry of fear it could mean as an infant he did not have a good childhood could have been filled with fear.
4. The images that are forming are soldiers and people devastated and desperate
5. “Marriage Hearse” the marriage is not like it used to be before you get married to one and promised eternally love and die together, but that does not happen anymore some people even get marry for the wrong reasons such as wealth.
6. The theme that I take away from this poem that is does not matter what side of the story you look it no one is ever happy no one is ever satisfied.
-Sarai Garcia
I like number 4. That's what it seems to be like.
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Austin Duenes
ReplyDelete1. The first stanza sets the tone by creating an sad, grey type of feeling. This depressing setting really sets up the poem so that the rest of it will make sense.
2. The gloomy and grey parts of all these stories are the same which makes up the right tone, but they are not the same type of story. Seeing how this poem has no type of happiness to it.
3. He is hearing the poverty of the people and how they are all at the lowest point of what is going on. This whole stanza is a good example of what is going on.
4.The images of a soldiers giving up and all the people giving up.
5. I think that these words are together because the times of this poem are bad and if things are bad then relationships will fall. Menaing that marriges will end up in divorce in hard economic times.
6. The theme would be a depressing one. because nothing in this poem seems to be happy and everyone that he sees or talks about has no type of joy to it.
1. In stanza one, the persona creates the setting for the reader. The persona also creates the tone/mood. What are your thoughts on the setting and the tone/mood?
ReplyDeleteat London, describe the sadness that was been around the city and the pain on the people faces
2. In what ways is the tone/mood similar to "Araby" and "The Dead?"
they are similar in meaning but different in the way are been written, some like it as fiction, others as poem
3. What do you think the persona hears in stanza two? How do you know?
the scream and sadness because that's how he describe them
in every cry in every man / in every infant cry or fear
4. What images were you forming as you read stanza three?
the whole city in tears and fear from blood and dirtiness and soldiers can`t even help as they are handcuffs
5. What is "the marriage hearse?" Why do you think the persona connects death and marriage?
the persona uses opposite words to encourage the people and to be optimistic, and to replace sadness with happiness.
6. What theme do you take away from this poem?
the idea is not to be happy only, but how to make others happy as well.
Khaldun
1. The tone that comes to my mind is a dark cold street in London a long time ago. It describes people that have had, and are still living a hard life.
ReplyDelete2. It has the same feel because it seems to be from the same time period. It is easy to imagine that it could be any time in the stretch of a couple hundred years, but before the 1900’s. It also shows people who are struggling.
3. He hears people who are in pain and misery. He equates their conditions to people being shackled.
4. I was thinking about a lot of misery and misfortune. This was a different time from what I know, and life wasn’t as kind as it is today. At least for somebody in America.
5. It means that there is little chance of a successful marriage because of the state of the people. Young prostitutes having babies, and living on the streets. It’s a dark metaphor.
6. The theme of London is death and darkness. Everywhere the persona turns he is confronted with terrible things.
Marc Moody